BCMS Member Mail List posting Motoring up the Fraser estuary

Yonas Jongkind yonas.jongkind at gmail.com
Mon Apr 29 23:39:48 PDT 2013


Wow. I am going to print this email and use it as a guide book. Perfect
detail of information.

Y.

On Monday, April 29, 2013, R & D Britton wrote:

> ** ** ** **
>
> Hi Roy and Yonus,****
>
>  ****
>
> I just got your message.  As you know I have been up and down the Fraser
> many times.  As you found out, any prediction of river volumes and
> velocities is very nebulous - putting it kindly. There are, of course, many
> factors involved such as the speed of your boat compared to the speed of
> the water, the time and height of the tide that day, and the distance you
> have to travel.  The river is obviously affected by the spring run-off that
> is occurring right now, and even if there has been rainfall or not. Willie
> Wonka would love it - right now the Fraser is the colour of milk chocolate
> due to all the mud in it!****
>
>  ****
>
> With a dock in Ladner (about 12 nmiles from Sand Heads) for our old
> mono-maran which cruised along at about 5.5 knots under power, we used the
> side channels that had less flow against us. The rule of thumb was to
> arrive at Sand Heads about 2 hours ahead of high tide. But if the river was
> running hard like it is now, it could take a lot longer - even with the
> side channels. Like 5 hours or so.  At other times in the fall the river
> water was actually flowing back "up-hill", as the tug boat guys would say,
> at a speed of at least a few knots. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Now, with Cloud Nine docked about 20 nmiles uphill in North Delta, we tend
> to arrive at Sand Heads about 3 hours ahead of high tide - but at about 8
> knots, we have a faster boat as well. ****Shelter** **Island**** is only
> a couple of miles downhill from our dock. ****
>
> ** **
>
> I don't know what speed that the Phoenix Tri will have, but I would
> suggest that Yonus arrives at Sand Heads about 4 hours before high tide,
> favour the south side of the channel from Sand heads to the Steveston Bend
> (even running outside the channel if you have a depth sounder). Note that
> there can be standing waves at Sand Heads when there is a good westerly
> wind hitting the speeding river water, but it is much less if you favour
> the more southern side. ****
>
> ** **
>
> There is a significant sandbank just on the south side and outside of the
> channel at Steveston Bend, near the training wall.  With an incoming tide
> and high river flow, you are likely to be able to seriously cut that corner
> to reduce distance travelled and have a slower opposing river flow. C9 and
>  fishboats and others do it on a flooding tide all the time. The opposing
> river flow is the highest on the north side, on the outside curve of the
> bend, as is typical of flowing bodies of water. Further upriver, try to
> keep to the inside of any curves or bends. ****
>
> ** **
>
> I would suggest that after Steveston, you should then head up the Westham
> Island Channel on your stbd side, which would then lead you up the next
> channel to Ladner. Right outside of ****Ladner** **Harbour****, you would
> take the channel to port that leads back up to Captains Cove Marina, and
> the main arm of the Fraser, just short of where the tunnel goes underneath.
>  ****
>
> ** **
>
> At that Ladner Harbour entrance, there is a large sandbar that extends a
> long way southwest from the north side of the harbour entrance, pointing a
> long way into the channel that you are just leaving, so heavily favour the
> island to port and is on the north and west side of the channel as you go
> past around that corner. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Although this is a slightly longer route, the river flow at this time of
> the year is much faster in the main channel. I would not be tempted to try
> it. Should progress not be good enough, you could stop in Ladner or tie up
> somewhere around there overnight, or anchor off the nearby islands.  ****
>
> ** **
>
> When you head on up to ****Shelter** **Island**** in the main channel
> again, stay well to the stbd side of the channel while going past the docks
> for Rivtow tugs, CP coastal shipping  and the cement factory in Tilbury.
> The tugs and barges all go through there as you will see, so it is deep
> enough and the opposing current is less.  Be alert to any vessels backing
> out!****
>
> ** **
>
> You can only enter the area of Shelter Island Marina by the most
> downstream of the 3 or so channels between the islands.  The others are
> hazardous. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Be warned that when you can travel only  slightly faster that the speed of
> the opposing current, it can take a VERY LONG  time to get up the river.
>  Being able to travel only 1 knot more can reduce the time significantly.
> This is why the new diesel in C9 is 35 Hp.! :)****
>
> ** **
>
> Good luck, ****
>
> ** **
>
> Richard. ****
>
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> > Subject: BCMS Member Mail List posting
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> > Motoring up the Fraser estuary
>
> >
>
> >   As some of you may have noticed, I have
>
> > been conferring with Yonas on
>
> > some aspects of his planned trip from
>
> > ****Texada** **Island**** and up the Fraser to
>
> > ****Shelter** **Island****. Obviously one goes up the
>
> > Fraser when the tide is on the
>
> > rise but I am finding it rather difficult to
>
> > get specific info about
>
> > current speeds at different tide heights. I
>
> > tried the internet listing
>
> > Fraser river tidal currents and got several
>
> > sites of possible value. One
>
> > that I found interesting described the
>
> > behaviour of the river at various
>
> > stages of the tide, how far upstream the
>
> > effect on the river level
>
> > reached at various tide levels and was
>
> > surprised to see that at really
>
> > high tides the river level rose as far away
>
> > as ****Chilliwack****. It was also
>
> > interesting to read about the "salt wedge",
>
> > the heavier salt water of
>
> > the incoming tide creeping along the river
>
> > bottom and raising the upper
>
> > surface level without affecting by much
>
> > the speed of the river current.
>
> > Not what I wanted to hear since only deep
>
> > draught vessels got a push
>
> > from the salt wedge. Constant references
>
> > were made to info about the
>
> > ****Fraser** **River**** appearing in Volume 5 of the
>
> > Tide and current tables, so I
>
> > got one today and was disappointed. Info
>
> > about tide heights in the river
>
> > at Steveston, at ****Dease** **Island****  and at New
>
> > West, at various states of
>
> > River discharge. Nothing about the speed
>
>

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